Ref: A00-300995 Case No. 871626 Macpherson II
Volume II, Pages 3-7, Friday 9th June, 1989
(The jury was brought into court)
ROY RONALD CHARLES MOORE: Sworn
Examined by Mr. Temple
Q. Are you Roy Ronald Charles Moore? A. Yes.
Q. I understand the position is that you are a director of Moore
Printcraft? A. Yes.
Q. A family run firm with premises in south east London?
A. Yes.
Q. Before we progress I am going to ask that you have in front
of you the exhibit bundle and it may be that I will invite
you to look at one or two extracts from that bundle. (Handed
to the witness) Before we do so, I would like to ask you
about the events of 7th April 1987. Were you on the premises
during the course of the morning? A. Yes.
Q. During the course of the morning did a customer, who you
considered to be possibly Cypriot, come in? A. Yes.
Q. In a sentence or so, what did he want? A. He wanted some
typing done.
Q. Were you agreeable that your company should provide the
necessary facilities? A. Yes.
Q. Where was the man going to do his job? A. I took him up
into the office.
Q. Were you present when he was typing? A. Yes.
Q. During the course of this typing was there any conversation
between the two of you? A. He asked me how to spell
"Cairo".
Q. Would you look at page 3 of the document. Do you recognise
all or any part of that document at all? A. No, not as
such. Later on when I did some photocopying for him there
was a logo on a piece of paper, but I can't recall if the
logo is the same on the top or anything.
Q. Let us divide that into the first section of your answer.
You have never seen page 3 before? A. Not as far as I
remember.
Q. What you do remember is at a later stage the man had asked to
photocopy something, had he? A. Yes.
Q. What do you recollect, if anything, about the nature of the
document which he asked you to photocopy? A. One appeared
to be an index. It was listed down the left hand side.
Q. Turn over the page. Is that page similar or dissimilar to
the index you saw? A. I would say it was similar.
Q. I want to rifle back, so we have it clearly, to page 3. You
mentioned a logo. Just tell us a little bit more about the
logo. A. To be honest I didn't pay any attention to it
because we get people coming into the shop and they have all
sorts of photocopying done, but I remember it wasn't in
actual typescript or anything, it was a design of some sort.
That is all I recall.
Q. On what part of the page was the design? A. As far as I
remember, more or less where that one was, top left.
Q. Can I take you back a little. You told us part of the
conversation revolved around him asking you how to spell the
word "Cairo". A. Yes.
Q. Did you tell him how to do it? A. Yes.
Q. Apart from him asking you how to spell the word "Cairo", was
there any other conversation, the gist of which you can
remember? A. No, I think we may have said a few other
words but I can't actually remember.
Q. Anything in substance? A. Nothing, no.
Q. Was there any conversation about the logo at all? A. He
did say it was - talking at a later date, when he was
downstairs where the photocopying was done, he did say he
might want some printing done later to come from abroad or
somewhere.
Q. Did you follow that comment up or just let it pass? A. No,
so many people talk about things that never happen so ---
Q. You did not attach any relevance to it at the time? A. No.
Q. I just want you now to conclude by dealing with one or two
matters. Referring to the exhibits, would you just confirm
please that the typewriter used by the Cypriot, or the man
who had the appearance of being from Cyprus, was taken by
Detective Constable Dillon. A. That is correct.
Q. Was there a piece of Tippex correcting paper also taken by
the officer? A. Yes.
Q. Had that piece of Tippex correcting paper been used by the
Cypriot? A. Yes.
Q. At the time he was doing his typing? A. Yes.
MR. TEMPLE: My Lord, those are Exhibits 61 and 63 respectively.
For your Lordship's purpose, I am going to page 24. (To the
witness): Mr. Moore, do you also remember being shown two
further exhibits; they are some rubber finger cones and a box
of ink eradicator? A. Yes, that is correct.
MR. TEMPLE: My Lord, I do not propose to ask this witness to see
the exhibits at this stage, I do not think it is going to be
necessary.
MR. JUSTICE MACPHERSON: Cones are what are sometimes called
"thimbles"? A. Yes, or "fingerettes".
Q. Rubber things for turning over pages? A. Yes.
MR. TEMPLE: May I indicate for the purpose of your Lordship's
note that both these exhibits came from Strickland Court.
(To the witness): Did you recognise the finger cones at all?
A. We sell similar finger cones to the ones I was shown.
Q. More important perhaps, with regard to the ink eradicator,
were you able to identify that not just as something as
definitely coming from your shop? A. Yes, that was
definitely ours because it had the price mark on which was
written by my father.
Q. You recognised your father's writing? A. Yes.
CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. BECKMAN
Q. Mr. Moore, there is very little I want to ask you. First of
all, so far as the man was concerned, he wore a very
distinctive hat? A. Yes, a black hat with a wide brim.
Q. The other thing is this is the man is it not (indicating the
defendant)? A. Yes.
Q. No difficulty at all in identifying him? No attempt at
disguise? A. No.
Q. May I just ask you one other thing. Members of the jury,
would you be kind enough to look at your page 3. (To the
witness): I am going to give you the original document which
I have here. (Handed to the witness) The colour of it is
because it has been tested for fingerprints. If you would
look at that document, what does it purport to be? A.
Well, it is a typewritten document on official paper and it
has ---
Q. Does the document pretend to be a letter or what? A. Yes.
Q. Or - perhaps you have experience of these things - is that a
telex? A. I wouldn't know. I have no experience of
telexes whatsoever.
MR. BECKMAN: In that case you are the wrong man to ask.
(The witness withdrew)
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